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Knighthawk
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 Posted?-?05 Nov 2008?:? 16:49:10 ? 
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FBI launches probe into ACORN over voter registrations
Greg Gordon
McClatchy Newspapers
WASHINGTON — A day after John McCain charged that the liberal-leaning voter registration group ACORN "may be perpetrating one of the greatest frauds in voter history,'' it was disclosed Thursday that the FBI is investigating whether the group coordinated the filing of phony applications.
Details of the inquiry weren't readily available. McClatchy confirmed an Associated Press report disclosing the investigation and learned that the FBI was attempting to determine if ACORN systematically encouraged the creation of fake voter registrations in several states.
Executive Director Michael Slater of Project Vote, which funds ACORN and represents it in legal matters, said the group has yet to be informed of any national investigation but would cooperate. Slater said that any suggestion that ACORN was orchestrating voter fraud was "absolutely false."
For years, ACORN has been a force in registering mostly younger, lower-income minorities to vote. So far this year, the group has registered 1.3 million new voters.
Because those new voters often support Democrats, Republicans have targeted ACORN and accused organizers of trying to undermine elections. Under former Attorney General Alberto Gonzales, U.S. attorneys were encouraged to bring voter-fraud cases, mostly against Democrats, and some prosecutors who balked were fired.
Project Vote's Slater said the timing of the investigation was "highly suspicious" because it was so close to the election.
"We knew this was coming," Slater told McClatchy. "We saw in 2004 that we were attacked by Republican interests, and law enforcement was politicized to go after us. We saw civil suits and organizations created whose specific purpose was to demonize ACORN."
According to Slater, ACORN has alerted authorities on a daily basis since late last year whenever internal reviews found that canvassers had submitted suspicious application forms.
Slater said that 1,187 packages, each containing a registration worker's daily collection of as many as 18 forms, have been flagged for county election officials as "potentially bogus." He also estimated that about 1 percent of ACORN's nationwide registration applications — some 13,000 forms — could contain fictitious names or addresses. In addition, as many as 25 percent may be duplicates.
County officials review each registration application and reject all duplicates. To affect an election tally, someone would have to vote in the name of the fictitious registrant, which is a felony.
ACORN officials said that most phony submissions came from canvassers who were trying to get paid without actually finding citizens who wanted to register to vote. They simply filled out the forms using names from the phone book, fictitious names or, in one case, "Mickey Mouse."
ACORN is bound by laws in most of the 21 states where it's been active to turn in all new registration applications, even suspicious ones, and the group follows that policy everywhere, spokesman Scott Levenson said.
Law-enforcement agencies in 11 states have been investigating former ACORN canvassers — investigations that have involved the FBI in Nevada and New Mexico.
During Wednesday night's final presidential campaign debate, McCain pressed Democratic rival Barack Obama to explain his ties to ACORN, which he said "may be destroying the fabric of democracy."
Earlier, Republican Sen. George Voinovich of Ohio sent a letter asking Attorney General Michael Mukasey to order an investigation of whether ACORN was committing voter registration fraud in an organized way.
The Ohio Republican Party is in a court battle with Democratic Secretary of State Jennifer Brunner over potential election fraud. The Republicans won a federal appeals court order demanding that Brunner turn over to county election officials by Friday the names of about 200,000 new registrants whose personal information did not exactly match state drivers' license or Social Security data.
Any discrepancies, no matter how small, could be used to challenge the eligibility of those Ohioans to vote.
Brunner filed an emergency appeal to the Supreme Court.
https://www.kansascity.com/449/story/871037.html
Gek dat ik niks in de mainstream media hoor over ACORN en wat ze doen. Niet dat het uitmaakt voor deze verkiezingen, maar doorgaans wijzen mensen gelijk naar de Republikeinen als het gaat om fraude, omdat dan opeens de media wel klaarstaat om het ons te vertellen. |
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Abrahamof
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Posted?-?05 Nov 2008?:? 21:12:20 ?
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Maar niet getreurd; daar heb je mij toch voor als 'deskundige' om eventuele complotten uit te zoeken, zoals deze waar jij nu voor de verandering mee aankomt..?
Wat ook nog bij het artikel stond:
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Alle news.google artikelen:
https://www.google.com/search?q=acorn+voter+registration
 By Martha Sanchez - November 4, 2008
Collecting more than 1.3 million voter registration applications ought to be applauded. So why does John McCain paint us as a threat to democracy?
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More than 1.3 million voter registration applications: That's how many low-income people, persons of color and young people ACORN has helped register this election cycle, including almost 40,000 here in California. In a country in which one-third of the eligible voting-age population -- heavily concentrated in minority communities, urban areas and among young people -- is not registered, such a deeply patriotic act should be celebrated.
Instead, ACORN, or the Assn. of Community Organizations for Reform Now, has been subjected to an unrelenting torrent of partisan attacks on the integrity of our voter registration effort, including the charge from John McCain that ACORN "may be destroying the fabric of democracy." In an editorial discussing our work on low-cost housing, The Times referred to ACORN's voter registration drive as "fraud-tolerant."
Let's look at some key facts about ACORN's national voter registration drive.
Fact: In most states, ACORN was required by law to submit every voter registration application it collects, regardless of the quality of each card.
Fact: ACORN conducts the most rigorous and sophisticated quality-control process for registering voters in the country. Each registration card is reviewed by three separate people; the registrants are then called as many as three times apiece to confirm the information on each card. In each state where we conducted voter registration efforts, ACORN submitted its cards to the agency that oversees elections twice a week in three batches: one of incomplete and spoiled cards, one of error-free cards and one of "suspicious" cards.
Fact: Out of ACORN's 1.3 million applications, 6.5% were incomplete or otherwise spoiled (about 65,000), 1.5% were in some way suspicious (about 19,500), and about 20% were duplicate registrations from people already on the voter registration rolls. These percentages are comparable to and in many cases better than those of other voter registration drives that have taken place this year.
Fact: ACORN pays its canvassers by the hour, not by the card; there is no rigid quota system. Like any employer, however, ACORN has standards to ensure that it is not paying for work that does not get done.
Fact: Some of ACORN's canvassers attempted to get paid for not doing their job by making up names or copying them from sources such as a phone book. When ACORN's quality control system caught them, the employees were fired and the suspicious cards were tagged and turned into the proper authorities. This constitutes fraud against ACORN, not fraud against the system. Over the course of the registration drive, ACORN fired 829 of its 13,000 canvassers for these and other quality-related issues.
Fact: Voter registration fraud is not voter fraud. Indeed, the fact that these cards were caught, generally by ACORN first, shows that the system works and operates with a high degree of integrity.
Why has ACORN suddenly become such a rallying cry for Republicans? The ultimate answer, of course, is to win the election. Partisan forces are unsettled by the large numbers of new voters ACORN is bringing into the system. Such rhetoric also seems to divert attention from one of the most unpatriotic activities we can imagine -- activities designed to suppress turnout through illegal purges of voter rolls, intimidation of voters at polling places, voter caging and similar tactics.
The highly charged rhetoric has had consequences. A torrent of hate mail and phone calls have poured into our offices, including death threats against our staff. Our Boston and Seattle offices were broken into last week.
The citizens ACORN has helped register this year are very real. Many of them will be coming out to vote today and in future elections. Far from being a threat, our work to encourage participation in democracy is deeply necessary for the reweaving of the fabric of our democracy. These voters should be welcomed to our democracy.
We at ACORN intend to be vigilant in our efforts to ensure that every single American who has a right to vote is allowed to exercise that right. ACORN will be out in our communities on election day, walking people to the polls and helping to make sure that everyone's vote is taken.
Martha Sanchez is chairwoman of the Los Angeles ACORN board of directors.
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Knighthawk
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Posted?-?05 Nov 2008?:? 22:26:17 ?
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| Een complot? Je mis kennelijk dat 11-12 staten al een tijd onderzoek doen naar de gang van zaken bij deze organizatie en dat er zo veel vermoeden is dat de FBI nu ook meedoen. Een complot is een theorie met filterdun 'bewijs' (meestal verzonnen). De betrokkenheid van zo veel federale en statelijke instantie laat zien dat er toch echt wat aan de hand is. |
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Abrahamof
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Posted?-?05 Nov 2008?:? 23:43:12 ?
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Originally posted by Knighthawk
... Een complot is een theorie met filterdun 'bewijs' (meestal verzonnen) ...
Freud merkte het al eens op dat sommige minder zelfbewuste mensen de neiging hebben om hun eigen onvolkomenheden voor het gemak maar in anderen te projecteren. Over Alu-hoedjes en complotgedachtes gesproken; een verwrongen en bewijsbaar onjuist beeld van de realiteit:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conspiracy
Jouw 'definitie' staat daar niet tussen..:
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Types of conspiracies
- Cabal, an association between religious, political, or tribal officials to further their own ends, usually by intrigue
- Civil conspiracy (US), agreement between persons to break the law in the future
- Conspiracy (crime) (US), agreement between persons to break the law in the future, in some cases having committed an act to further that agreement
- Conspiracy (political), a plot to overthrow a government
Maar niet getreurd, helemaal aan het eind toch nog een verwijzing naar een bijzaak:
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See also
- Conspiracy theory
- Tin foil hat
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Posted?-?06 Nov 2008?:? 12:50:58 ?
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| Ja ja, net zoiets als die door jouw aangekondigde aanvallen op Iran die nooit plaatsvonden. Als ik je er aan hielp herinneren dan kwam je aanzetten dat het een 'false flag' operatie was. |
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Abrahamof
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Posted?-?06 Nov 2008?:? 21:18:54 ?
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Het gaat erom dat complotten normaal zijn en dat het geen raar woord is: Overal waar mensen samenwerken in de een of andere vorm, is men bezig wat uit te halen waarvan het meeste niet naar buiten wordt gebracht.
Jij had het feitelijk over een vorm van een complot; een gewoon woord. En de bewijzen zijn er kennelijk nog niet(?); de versies lopen uiteen. Mogelijk komen de bewijzen er nooit en blijft het een complottheorie?
Dan heb je ook nog ongefundeerde complot theorieen. Dat is bovenstaande zeker niet, want je draagt er zo te zien redelijke onderbouwing voor aan (maar zo te zien geen bewijs).
Dat Israel een Iran oorlog wil en Bush eerder een 'amber light' gaf (ga door met voorbereiden, zeg wanneer je klaar bent, maar doe niets zonder onze goedkeuring) en nog meer, is bekendstaand. Dat kan je al een soort van complot noemen. Redelijke bronnen noemden tijdsperiodes wanneer dat gepland zou zijn. Planning veranderd nu eenmaal wel eens aan de hand van de actualiteit. Wanneer dat uitgebreid wordt naar mogelijkheden om de USA in die oorlog te betrekken, dan kom je al snel op een false flag waarmee de steun van het volk ervoor mogelijk wordt. False flag is in de geschiedenis vaak voorgekomen en bewezen gewoon complot. Een nog niet plaatsgevonden en niet-bewezen false flag om de oorlog met Iran te starten, is echter een complottheorie, maar absoluut geen onzinnige. Gezien de verstrekkende consequenties voor de gehele wereld, leek het mij van belang nieuwe gegevens in deze, vooraf aan de grote klok te hangen. Soms ging het om redelijk harde gegevens, soms om low-key information en soms om redelijke geruchten of soms ook om een duivels kunstenaar als Ken Welch die discutabeler is (maar wel goed kan duiden, of met een interessante & belangwekkende mogelijkheid kwam). |
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Posted?-?24 Nov 2008?:? 07:31:46 ?
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Did Obama buy the election Yes the money of the leftist new world order manipulators of MoveOn.org and George Soros et al used Obama's black face to buy the election and take control of America to further their agenda of death and destruction.  |
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