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James
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 Posted - 16 Jun 2003 : 00:07:28
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I apologise for being a typical ignorant monolingual Englishman, but...
Pim Fortuyn fascinates me, he was a visionary man and every word by him I've read strikes a chord. I don't trust any other anti-Islamophile politician in Europe, they're all ultra-conservatives, fascists, homophobes and most are racists that have as much interest in maintaining European liberalism as the Islamists.
All I can find is the odd quote here and there and a few old articles on Pim which are generally quite hostile towards him. I wrote to the Lijst Pim Fortuyn about whether any of his books are published in English they said no and that there is no chance of any of them being published in English in the near future.
Please, please someone tell me something to the contrary or direct me to some articles wrote by Pim or Lijst Pim Fortuyn or anything...
Thank you.
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Edited by - James on 16 Jun 2003 00:20:32
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a merzel
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Posted - 16 Jun 2003 : 13:26:24
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| Try Harry Mens or Albert de Booy. |
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Vrijestem
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USA
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Posted - 21 Jun 2003 : 19:26:02
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Maybe it's time for the Pim Fortuyn foundation and other supporters consider translating some of Pim's writings and let the public be the judge of what he stood for, and dismantle the myth that he was an anti-immigrant and dangerous extreme right-wing politician.
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Bram Fick
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Netherlands
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Posted - 22 Jun 2003 : 06:01:02
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Through http://www.freetranslation.com/ I got this translation of an online column by Fortuyn.
With only regularity returns the discussion around it carry of head cloth. What is against it? Mostly we have nothing on our head. Previously was that well otherwise. Hats, caps and yes also head cloth, wanted against the rain or in order to withdraw the curl pin for the weekend hair style rather at the eye. That everything was in the time that the Netherlands yet a mainly white society was with a culture of own bottom. A compartmentalized country also, in which the philosophy of life, religious and/or social, with paint was carried out in the public and private domain. The country is meanwhile ontzuild and takes cover many cultures of other origin in. The country is also extremely modern and walks on various grounds even front. Think in these case for instance of the drugs administration, the gay marriage, the euthanasia administration and such. One of the basis characteristic is that it a strict separation is between church and state. This means that it freedom of religion is, but that the institutions of that religion be part of the private domain. The public domain has not been subjected at the issuing of rules of the parliamentary democracy and that by church and religion. They can only, just as the other interest groups, on that influence practice through to lobbies by the chosen representatives. Christianity and Judaism have these separation of church and state nearly in be completely accept. on a single sect after, that we then also with straight fundamentalist name. There are however an important religion on world scale that these separation in no way has accepted and these also as extremely undesirablely considers and that is the islam. Even the what more liberal variants of the islam have little on with the fundamental separation of church and state. That where he wél is accepted, is it because it not otherwise can, that the vast majority it would not peck as it otherwise would be. A pragmatic position, no fundamental. The Rushdie-affair has that well clear made. After ayatollah Khomeiny the fatwa had pronounced over Salman Rushdie, got the writer many support from the west. The British government saw self even forced expanded to hit security measures. From the corner of the liberal islam not came however the slightest support declaration. The difference between liberal and fundamentalist islam is indeed of interest, but concerning the separation of church and state only gradually, pragmatically thus. The islam was found of as religion paramount in the camp of the adversaries of the modern society. That not creates everywhere in the world small problems and move the moderniteit on that spots heavy under pressure, not only mentally, social and cultural, but also physique. Moderniteit and islam are on many life grounds poles. Poles, that the former contrast between capitalism and communism have replace. The image is otherwise gecompliceerder than at the time of the Cold War, that the moderniteit self not at country border holds, just as little as the islam that does. The contrast becomes then also in often land fought out. The countries of the EU, below which us land, accommodate meanwhile large groups of men that the islam had been added. Many of them accept the separation of church and state from pragmatic grade crossings, but will him rather lifted see. Their religion, and with name the explanation of that in many mosque, éist that also of them. One of the expressions of that is it carry of head cloth through women in the public domain. They take in a public position sharpen. The hoofddoekje is with that more than a hoofddoekje, it is the public expression of religion view and culture. Within our culture circle is that on itself to tolerate. Problematically becomes it when one that a law at take round under álle circumstances expression to give from be religious and cultural viewpoint. I find that these not can and then with name in that circumstances, in which I no choice have round these position to avoid. For instance with offices bearers. I not want to be confronted with the religious conviction of an agent, a civil servant, an officer by justice and such. No head cloth thus, just as little as cross and fish for the Catholic and protestant offices bearers. Moreover will that also must count for all service positions in the private domain that I with difficulty can avoid, as hotels, hospitals, general practioners practices e. d. For thatLast institutions its the first sheep through add of the Commission Resemble Treatment already over the dam. It prohibit of a hoofddoekje becomes through the commission considered as discrimination. On this moment must this commission be a good judge on public offices bearers, in casu a complaint of a feminine clerk by the court. Might the complaint be assigned, than is the way free for police officers, civil servants and such. If it so far comes, than becomes the time that the legislator intervenes. The separation by church and state is a heavily fought against well and be part of our core standards and -landlords. Indeed something round relativistisch with in order to not go!
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Michael01
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 26 Jul 2003 : 10:05:17
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I am English and have an interest in Pim Fortuyn. I can read some Dutch, and given enough time and a decent dictionary, can translate from Dutch to English. I think that it would be great to have an information site about Pim Fortuyn in English with translations of his columns, translations also can appear of work written by his political opponents, and any other relevant material about Pim's life. The main point would be to encourage people in the English speaking world to read directly about the ideas and life of Pim Fortuyn for themselves.
My E mail is Voltan1961@aol.com
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mleeflang
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Netherlands
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Posted - 16 Apr 2004 : 00:46:12
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What sheer nonsense, Bram! What translation-machine did you get this load of bollocks from? Every, but every sentence is dead wrong. You are doing nobody a favour by posting anything like this. OK, time for a shining example. Hang on to your hat!
...culture of own bottom
De cultuur van je eigen achterwerk?
I got this funny feeling when I read 'landlord = waarden'. Stupid, stupid, stupid. The translation program found 'waard' = innkeeper, landlord. And what did non-English speaking Brammetje do? Add 'landlords = waarden'.
Dammit, dammit, dammit three times around the car park and then back in for another dammit.
Well, do you feel up to it to justify yourself?
Warmest greetings, Martin Leeflang. |
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